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Game #1225 Tournament game#53 | Round 5 : 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament #53

Skuns453Lirik902 vs  personian


Match Details

Played:2020-05-28
Amount of Humans:2
Kind of Report:2019 PBEM Duel Tournament
Kind of game:   PBEM
Game-value: 1
Result Player Classes Races Team Points Extra Points Missed Points Quitter Rate
1 Skuns453Lirik902SorcererDraconians21100here
2 personianRogueTigrans100-17here
Posts to the game:
Published on Wed, 03 Jun 2020 23:44:46 +0200

Written by personian
Nice job Skuns.  Yes, I was careless, rushing through turns giving you a shot. I could've just sat on my lead, & I should've just let my local forces sit on my capital.  But it is what it is.  I had the game won, but you earned the victory attacking like that.  Honestly I was rushing & not paying much attention.  Oh well!  GG.

Published on Wed, 03 Jun 2020 23:02:44 +0200

Written by Skuns453Lirik902

It looks like I won: Score

@Personian  Seriously? Why did you leave your throne empty on previous turn? And why did you put your leader under attack at the current turn, if you knew about mobility of Sorc units? You could win with your score, at least by domain score and maybe military score (didn't think to see at that scores). Very good idea to make my cities as your vassals =)  to get additional domain score. You even thought that you was good protected with that vassal))  Though I was hoped to win that fight


user
Published on Wed, 03 Jun 2020 21:51:05 +0200

Written by Hiliadan
The deadline is tomorrow: 2020-06-04 3:32 PM GMT+02:00. So it's probably the last turn being played.

Published on Mon, 01 Jun 2020 21:51:33 +0200

Written by personian
End of game procedure confirmed.

user
Published on Mon, 01 Jun 2020 12:24:41 +0200

Written by Hiliadan

Hi! The deadline is in approximately 3 days.

Here is a reminder of the procedure to follow for the score victory. I think personian is the last player in the turn order, right? personian, can you please confirm you've read and understood this?

1/ AFTER the deadline, the strategic turn is played until the last player in the turn order

2/ that player plays his turn, saves & quits, copy the save game to a backup folder

3/ that player re-enters the game and surrenders, then takes screenshots of all the scores (general, domain, research, military, happiness) . He does NOT end the turn. Instead he quits the game without ending the turn.

4/ he sends the screenshots to judges (Marcuspers, Jonny Thunder and me)

5/ judges check the scores and take a decision


Thanks


user
Published on Thu, 28 May 2020 22:57:48 +0200

Admin report. Your deadline is 2020-06-04 3:32 PM GMT+02:00.


user
Published on Tue, 26 May 2020 09:33:36 +0200

Hi! Following discussions among judges, you get an extra week to compensate for the delay in judging the issue earlier in your game.

So your deadline is 2020-06-04 3:32 PM GMT+02:00. I'll however report that match at the normal end of round deadline to start round 6.


user
Published on Sun, 24 May 2020 18:49:39 +0200

So it's very likely to be a score victory... personian, do you have the email notifications for each turn? Would be useful to apply the score malus...

Published on Sun, 24 May 2020 18:37:16 +0200

Hi. I'm very sorry about all. I was feeling terrible myself these days  : (  So I couldn't do anything, not only playing my turns(( Now I feel much better and I can play my turn tomorrow. Sorry again

Published on Fri, 22 May 2020 17:06:29 +0200

I have to admit, I'm very disappointed at the pace of this game.   We're only at Turn 17, and Skuns consistently disappears for days at a time, and only puts in 1 turn per day at very most.  It is what it is I guess.  Not very fun though.

user
Published on Fri, 22 May 2020 13:12:31 +0200

Hi guys, 6 days until end of round. Please confirm what turn you're in. There is no need to be at home in front of your PC to do that, you should both have email notifications activated and you can read the turn from your emails...

Published on Sat, 16 May 2020 15:49:03 +0200

Yes, it's still ongoing. I can't say what turn we've reached because I'm unavailable to play till Monday. I think it's likely 15 or 18 turn

user
Published on Fri, 15 May 2020 21:54:23 +0200

Can you please confirm this game is still ongoing and the turn you reached?

user
Published on Fri, 08 May 2020 12:48:08 +0200

Ok, what turn have you reached?

Published on Tue, 05 May 2020 12:08:54 +0200

Hi. We've just started to make repairs in our house. So possibly I can't play my turns for about a week. Sorry for that :relaxed:  When the situation will change I'll notify you


user
Published on Sat, 02 May 2020 12:00:47 +0200

Sorry for the delay...


So it's a complicated situation. What should have happened:

1/ personian does the missclick, he then starts recording a video showing the combat and its log, showing clearly the Leader died stupidly. Or at the very least make a screenshot. Then contact judges with the video or screenshot. Then the replayed turn would have to be recorded.

2/ if that does not happen, Skuns see the reload notification and tell judges right away instead of playing his turns. The game is paused and judges take a decision.


So both players are at fault and personian a lot more so of course.

Judges decided that personian receives the equivalent of 2 warnings for reload without appropriate proof: one for reloading due to the missclick without a proof (video, screenshot) and one for not telling the judge. This are serious warnings and they can be considered as a final warning: next time it will be a disqualification. We decided to believe personian regarding the missclick, otherwise it would have been immediate disqualification.


You can continue.


user
Published on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:34:42 +0200

Ok yeah please wait, we are discussing it between judges.


Published on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:33:54 +0200

Forgot to mention. I got your message on early turns, yes. But for that time we had already played 4-5 turns. So it's not fair to say, that it was 1-2 turns from the start. And at 5-th turn you could built already half of addition stack or reach another big in-game value 

Published on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:26:00 +0200

Hi, personian. I'm sorry about your misclick mistake and  misunderstanding between us. Only what I can say - I had lost my leader very early in previous tourney games too.  Though it was my strategy miscalculation, more serious mistake than a misclick. But still it's the same problem - leader in the void. Anyway I didn't ask about reloading turns and continued to play my turns. 

In non-tourney game, I decide by myself what I can agree with. And I don't care about such reload from misclick. But it's a tourney, and there is forbidden to hide something (even such things) from the judges. Because how I can be sure that it won't happen on future, more significant, turns and you'll ask me in private again to forget about reload  <smiletext6>  And for such hiding I could be disqualified only for silence in private (judges here are unpredictable and strict    ). 

Anyway, regardless of the decision of the judges, I'm ready to continue. I was fighting hard this turns for each small inch of space not for that to give up to you <smiletext1>


Published on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:29:25 +0200

Just to summarize what's happened, for purposes of clarity:


1.  Very early in the game (maybe even Turn 1) I purposely restarted my turn for the misclick reason already mentioned.

2. I emailed Skuns about it, seeing if he was willing to overlook it.

3. Skuns never emailed me back, but instead played his turns.

4. He and I both played a bunch of turns.

5. Skuns stops playing his turns for about a week.

6. I ask about it here. 

7. He replies, saying that I shouldn't be allowed to restart my turn. 


Fair enough point of view, but I would've appreciated it if he'd emailed me back to begin with and not continued all his turns. The reason I emailed him to begin with is because it was a restart and not allowed in this tournament.  I would've been forced to forfeit Turn 1 due to my leader being decimated in Turn 1, which I was willing to do had he wanted it that way.  I just don't understand why he played a bunch of turns, disappeared, and then complains about it.  Not important; I just don't understand it. I'm also disappointed that he didn't want to talk to me privately, but that's 100% his prerogative and, again, fair enough.


Published on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:08:15 +0200

Hi Hiliadan.  Yes, as Skuns has said, I sent a private message to him saying that I had restarted a turn.  It was very early in the game, and a misclick.  I tried to click on an enemy (a wisp) and somehow clicked behind it)--my leader then moved to behind the wisp, taking 3-4 attacks of opportunity.  Leader was dead.  That would've been the end of the game.  I send a private message to Skuns asking him if he'd mind if I did the restart without reporting it, as it was a complete accident, early in the game, & I didn't want to go through all the hoops with the moderators, etc.  I'd hoped we'd discuss it privately, but apparently Skuns didn't want to do that.

I don't really care.  I'll forfeit.  I didn't destroy the spirit of the game here; on the contrary, I had a specific thing happen that was a misclick and had nothing to do with cheating.   It's more against the spirit of the game for me to forfeit the match because of a misclick. 

But if that's what Skuns wants, I'm happy to forfeit.  It's not a big deal to me. i tried to do what made the most sense under the circumstances.


user
Published on Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:35:40 +0200

Hi there! personian, do you confirm having sent a message to Skuns saying you had reloaded a turn?


Published on Sat, 25 Apr 2020 09:18:42 +0200

Hi. Sorry for the delay. Thank you for your patience.  <smiletext21>  I found your letter in email box recently. And I was confused by it    It was too late to answer you yes or no on your question, because we had played already few turns after your reboot  <smiletext6>


And I need to notice. If I would use rebooting of turn each time when I make a mistake, I'd not lose so much times <smiletext1>  But we use Ironman mode to avoid reboots or replays. Of course, you can't avoid replay when you faced PC crash or something else. But it doesn't depend on you, so it allows with a warning in your "tourney case".  And if you want replay by your own wish/vision, it's forbidden. That's why we turn on Ironman mode - not to cheat. I'm not insist that your replay is cheating, I'm sure it's not.  <smiletext0>  But it's still forbidden to do such things. So, whatever mistake did you make, explain please, why you had decided to do a thing, which is forbidden for all, but not for you  


Published on Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:31:17 +0200

I honestly don't recall about whether I triggered the cosmic event, to be honest.


Is everything ok? You haven't made a move in days.  No worries, just checking in....


Published on Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:42:16 +0200

It was you who triggered current cosmic event so early? 

Published on Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:36:59 +0200
System notification


Round 5 : 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament #53
Please click here to read the rules.

In order to avoid advantaging one team or the other, for each match, the team who will host the match was randomly selected.
The first team in the "turn order" above (who is also the team on top in the tree here) must host the game.


Any of the players in the team can host.
Tournament Game #53 Round !

When players do not show up for their match, the Tournament Judges have the right to change the match!

Published on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 04:24:06 +0200

Joined

user
Published on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:11:12 +0200

I added you back.


Tha,nks for the screenshorts! Weirdly it seems some are cut and we can't see the timestamp. But let's say it's OK for this round, we can see it on others.

We have everyone's class/race so you're good to start.

Good luck & have fun!


Published on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:07:22 +0200
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Information Round 5 : 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament #53
personian joined !!

Published on Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:52:45 +0200

Also, I think I accidentally clicked the wrong menu item and left this match.  Sorry about that.  CAn't figure out how to rejoin it; maybe only Hiliadan can do so?  Again, very sorry about the misclick.

Published on Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:50:39 +0200

OK, all done!  game name is something like 2019 Duel #34, and the password is


finally


Published on Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:49:29 +0200
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Information Round 5 : 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament #53
personian quitted!

Published on Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:43:14 +0200


Published on Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:13:17 +0200

Sorry guys, I just seem to be allergic to going through the whole hosting/screenshotting process..  I'll take care of it right now.


Published on Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:13:02 +0200

Sorry guys, I just seem to be allergic to going through the whole hosting/screenshotting process..  I'll take care of it right now.


user
Published on Fri, 10 Apr 2020 23:46:43 +0200

Hi! Skuns, can you please try to contact personian on Steam & Discord?

user
Published on Tue, 07 Apr 2020 22:36:55 +0200

@personian: still waiting for your class/race and the screenshots of the hosting.

Published on Tue, 07 Apr 2020 20:51:46 +0200

Hi. I'm back and ready to start <smiletext0>

user
Published on Wed, 01 Apr 2020 22:21:17 +0200

Yeah, please do send the class/race and host ASAP, to avoid delays when Skuns is back.