And sieges have even more chances to happen in larger maps, but I think you never play games with more than 4 players, do you mahimka?

ps: Scorched Earth still needs to cost more, at least 70cp if not 80cp

@Marcus Even ig the notifications it says that AIX posted 3 times, and you two times in the PBEM Pool.

*in

Speaking of oddities. I get e-mail notification that it is my turn in X-game but in the details it writes about Y game. And, it is Y game that it's my turn for real.

Well, I did post 2 times, sent from my phone and somehow it did post 2 times. Did delete the 2nd one

@phirpo, I do agree with you, but Hiliadan just did a big overhaul of disjunction cost, so should be a lot cheaper to disjunct it (I believe 50% cheaper) so maybe we try that solution first.

Ah. Fair enough.

Regarding the turn notification thing, that's weird. I've always have correct turn notifications from Triumph

@AlX: good idea to launch more games, feel free to open some!

And now Jean is challenging novograd!

I wish it was possible to watch it.

I've challenged you as well, Sin Arcain.

Actually I want to play with those guys who came after I had vanished

I haven't done anything, I am innocent!

I think it's great to play with those I have never fought in this game because every player is unique and has his own playstale and interesting features so you can learn them and upgrade your own game

On a more serious note, I am not particularly good. But, hey, you may learn from my mistakes.

You haven't yet seen my ingame failures

Also, I didn't see you challenged me. Oh, never mind. I have just noticed that game had a list of name.

We can play either a ranking or non-ranking duel, it's up to you

I don't really care much about the statistics right now =)

We can report it, I don't mind. Also, I accept the challenge. I may not do my turns as frequently though because my PBEM schedule is quite full.

Then join the game, please.

Could someone tell me which settings are now used in duel games?

I guess there were something like this when I played my last duel here: tournament map size, cities and dwellings few, all the rest average or...

I am stupid, sorry, they are definitely those used in the last duel tournament =)

Yes, that one we use, except the turn timer when it is not tournament.

Alright, who shall create the game?

Good luck Sin Arcain!

Thanks. I will need a lot of it.

I can create but only tomorrow. Right now I am busy.

I hope Jean is very rusty or it will be a short game

Good Luck nevertheless

@Jean: have you contacted the 3 other players to tell them you challenge them?

No, I haven't. When I created the game I mentioned all 4 players because I wasn't sure who would accept the challenge (I know, for example, that Novograd is playing plenty of games according to the finished games section). And I can't play more than 1-2 games at the same time now because of the work. So I will finish the current game first and then start another one

Ah, yes, I am waiting for a new laptop which will arrive soon. I have already ordered it. Seems like my old one can't handle 8 hours of distant work and games after it.

hi all!

long time no chat (:
but Hiliadan woke me up because of the next round in the duels tournament

haven't played for 1/2 year (: - will be fun to come back to this game

any new patches or big changes i should know about?

Hi, looking forward to the next round as well, it's been quite long!

I am all set, just waiting for the game page to be generated, so I can upload the setting screenshots, game name, and password :-D

It's started!

we starting 6 pm utc a live game /when someone has interst….

@xlnt: you can check the changelog for v1.29: https://docs.google.com/docum...

Who else thinks the mana income is too high in mid/late game? Maybe sanctum should just give 25 mana. Probably all other sites should provide 25 instead of 25 income than. Same for those +20 sites like Crystal tree which only should give 15 income

I agree! The difficult thing though is to manage to have enough mana early game and not too much late game

if we tweak the values I mean

I can't agree at all.

it just mean you didn't get good summoning spell. I always lack mana. no matter the turn is.

and totall value of mana cites not that big compare to other cites. if you guys want nerf mana cites's mana income, add +5 gold for there.

lich king castle and sunken city should be nerfed they have totall 40 value.

Let's clarify that obviously we're not talking about duels. And by your own logic, I would say that it means you do not manage mana properly by not building mana-building and not prioritizing sites with mana.

The fact is that some class/race/specs do not have summons. And that by turn 60 on a large map, it's very easy to get mana income in the hundreds

How is your game on a large map going by the way?

seer disapeared for 3weeks

and I always build shrine. at turn 60 I would have more than 200 mana income per turn for sure. but that's totally no enough.

And I'm not talking about class summon. you must get severy good summon from treasure cites if you play that long.

also think about your speciliation. Grey guard essense harvest is crazy OP.

I always be evil alinement but still I always take grey guard only for that. can be more than 50 CP per turn everage. once I got 130 cp for 1turn.

So it means just you didn't take enough treasure cites for good spell))))

and if you guys want to solve mana balance early game vs late game, just add menu for taking reward with same amount of gold as mana.

The lack of mana is totally because of no treasure cite except sanctum gives mana as good cost. However gold can be taken from all places.

if nerf mana cites, early game mana upkeep would be much terrible.

"just add menu for taking reward with same amount of gold as mana" didn't get what you mean?

Not necessarily, Sanctums are not early sites, so if they go from +30 to +25, that should not affect early game much

Do we have a game with a higher Game-value? It used to be 94 but now that some of us lost ranking points, it's 92, but still huge. https://www.the-battlefield.c...

I mean when you take sphinx temple for example, you can get a item+research points or 500 gold

So add one more choice of getting 500 mana or at least 350 mana.

and you didn't mention only sanctum. crystal tree quite easy cites for sure so can be taken before turn 10.

Also all cites can be taken before turn 15 depends on situation. regrowth shrine, killing momentum+ strongwill buff, blood brothers, divine justicals, etc.

Finally if you think too much mana in late game, you should buff mana cites totall value, instead nerf.

too much mana=mana isn't that worth as gold=(30 mana<30 gold)=sactum<zigrat

if sactum change to 20mana+15 gold, I can agree for sure.

"So add one more choice of getting 500 mana or at least 350 mana" That's not possible technically. And anyway I don't think it is desirable as it breaks the balance of mana sources

(it's "site", not "cite", otherwise quite confusing with cities)

I don't really follow your logic of saying that we should solve the mana excess in late game by adding gold income to mana generating sites... >_<

I think he means that if you nerf the +mana from a site, add the reduced amount back as gold.. Like sanctum gives +30 (35?) mana/turn. If it gets nerfed to +20, the +10 (15) remaining could be gold/turn instead. I guess so the site keeps its value, so to say.

Yes infact I also think adding choice for mana reward is too big change. I just wanted to say about 1way to solve lack of mana at early game. about site, Sin understand me very well.

legendary and mystic sites should have at least 30 total value. strong 20.

Other opinions on nerfing access to mana in later stages of the game (after turn 30-40) on medium to large maps?

Opinions on The Great Purge Theo skill? https://age-of-wonders-3.fand...

Same question for Hallowed Domain: https://age-of-wonders-3.fand...

@Hiliadan, never played as a Theo and got/researched Great Purge. In theory I dont thing the spell is very strong. Would be more interesting if also Support Units was included. Or if you got X Slayer (for unliked/hated races). I believe High Elves for example dont like orcs and Goblins

Similar with Hallowed Domain, never used it. And same, in theory the spell doesnt look tempting. Once you get invaded and have option to cast spell, its probably too late anyway

@Hiliadan, in my gaming practice, I practically did not encounter sieges of cities, so the spell Hallowed Domain is absolutely useless

in general, all buffs on the city are absolutely useless in this game

The Great Purge - a fully used normal highly specialized spell, in capable hands

Not all city enchantments are useless. Sorcerer has one to get a great buff on summoned units within the cities domain.

Even spells preventing enemy spells can be very useful. Preventing an enemy from casting -500 happiness on a city is a gold one for example.

And regarding mana in the early game. i don't think we need to change it. Classes with good scouts (theo, rogue) will benefit from more mana in the early game and especially theo don't need to be buffed at all.

@EL_Lobo - I will supplement my words, so that there would be no misunderstanding - all buffs for the army in the city

spells such as grip are quite usable

or mana fuel

Sorcerer has for this to work, the city must be attacked, and there was a huge army

but sieges in this game do not work (one to get a great buff on summoned units within the cities domain -

for this to work, the city must be attacked, and there was a huge army
but sieges in this game do not work

Nobody said mana in EARLY game had to be changed. The discussion is on mana in LATE game (turn 60+ but actually even 30+ for mid-game)

I disagree that sieges do not work. There are many situations where you can defend a city vs enemy troops. The thing is usually your army won't be there if you're going to lose so you don't defend. But some spells buffing defending cities an make a difference,

currently their cost is not very incitative to using them though

And sieges have even more chances to happen in larger maps, but I think you never play games with more than 4 players, do you mahimka?