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Game#2 | Round 2 : 3vs3 PBEM TEAM TOURNAMENT 2018 #4
Played: 2021-04-30Amount of Humans: 6
Kind of Report: 3vs3 PBEM TEAM TOURNAMENT 2018 Kind of game: PBEM
Game-value: 1
ResultPlayerClassesRacesTeamPointsExtra PointsMissed PointsQuitterRate
1FluksenNecromancerDwarves21200here
1ZytozidRogueTigrans237180here
1AlXStormrageWarlordOrcs21600here
2Skuns453Lirik902TheocratTigrans1-170-40here
2AkinosNecromancerOrcs100-78here
2Sin ArcainSorcererHumans100-36here

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Written on 2019-03-25 14:38:12

Match has been reported, please confirm!

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Well, my congratulations to Ezekiel's team <smiletext23>  Though that's what I wanted to avoid when I started this tourney - do not let win the match by one veteran vs all others   And this match has been showed that I was wrong. 
I admit I made some critical mistakes at this match. But it's hard to say if I wouldn't make such big mistakes then would be there an other result or not  

P.S. I have problems with my laptop, so I can't fill all class/race fields in the report. So please for other team let me know what I missed.


Hi guys. Sorry for the big delay. I was busy these days after returning from the vacation. Will play my turn as soon as I can 


Hi. I'm going on vacation from 7-th of March till 10-th of march. So it may be not possible to play my turn in this period. Sorry for the inconvenience 


it is ok with me


It's okay with me, I'll be doing my turn within the next 12 hours^^


Remind! I turned on 3-day timer. All of you are Ok with that now? 


Hi guys. I'm going to the vacation from 30 of December to 8 of January. I'll try to play my turns but there is some possibility not be able to do it at all during that period <smiletext6>   So I'd appreciate to keep the timer turning off till 8-th. Sorry for the inconvenience 


I might not be able to take my turn during the holiday. Please turn timer off.


Hi guys. I hope all of you still have interest to play AoW3 and don't suppose to leave after this session will end.  Despite the very long duration of this session and also of all the tourney.   So I wish you keep fight, good luck and let the best team win <smiletext23>

P.S. Anyways let me know of all changes if it will be in the future 


Hi guys. I appreciate both of you for gold <smiletext21>  But it would be nice if someone would share me also 100 mana to be able to build 2-nd class building to produce stalkers   I'll try to do my best to return all that resources as soon as possible. Though if Ezekiel will continue his pressure then the resources returning may be delay for a long time <smiletext6>

P.S. There are 2 inns near Ez's cities and my crow can get them quickly. It would be nice to buy there all units and bring pressure to his domain   But, unfortunately, it's too expensive  Though it's one of the best options now. Of course, it may not ruin his economy at all I think because of his Necro stack at UG, but if I can take and raze some of his cities it will be good too))  What do you think about it, should I spend gold by that way or not? 


Hi all. I'll be on vacation from 2 to 5 of November. I'll try to do my best to not delaying my turns but perhaps I can't play that period of time. Anyways, sorry for the inconvenience 


Hi Nubnub. I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for not keeping silent about your problem. <smiletext0>
As I can see in the PBEM lobby you didn't trigger Ironman notification. So you haven't give us any evidence and you can continue without worries <smiletext0> But for the future turns you should deal with your problem. If you need a help with finding the issue - our community will try to help you <smiletext1>  Otherwise it may cause Ironman notification and I'll have to give you a warning. <smiletext6>
I hope that it's only the internet connection issue and you'll fix it without any problems.   Though anyway I advise you after starting next few turns for the first save and exit, and then open session again and play it as usual. 


Did it trigger an Ironman reload notification? Does it display something in the turn email notification (or in the PBEM lobby)? If not, then you're fine.
If it does, then Skuns will tell you.


I just did my turn and it got stuck during uploading after I had ended my turn. I canceled, reloaded the save and tried again, that time it just failed by itself after some time. I then closed my game (it crashed at that, curiously), restarted the application, reloaded the save and that time it still took its time, but worked at last. So in the end I still only did my turn once, but it took three tries to upload it. Do I have to provide some sort of evidence for that somewhere?


Hi. I'm a little sick now. So I can't say when I'll be able to continue playing my turns. Sorry for the delay. I turned off the timer and I would prefer to leave the timer turned off for this period of sickness 


Turned on the timer again


Hi Skuns,

To clarify, there was never any doubt you will recieve a warning without proof, I've done this for 2 years now.

The formal approach you mention, means that Ezekiel can't be a judge in this match, hence why I said to not waste more time on this specific occasion, as it's summer time and finding 2 new judges will prolong an already long process.
If you really want to maintain a formal process, I suggest you create a spreadsheet and share it so I can formally submit your warning there. And to be even more formal, you should then consider creating rules, similair to the duel tournament or the 2v2 where instructions regarding restarts and procedures to observe players who have restart/s are in place. 

I thought your initial messages pointed toward the direction where such meassures wouldnt be implemented, but if you want to continue this formal approach, I again suggest you update the rules.

In regards to you mentioning new players (please refrain from calling them newbies) and following the process, I already addressed my reply to all players with instructions of how the process works.


Sorry for the delay. I had been visited by guests and so I couldn't play 


You wrote in your PM: "I've understood that the matches are moving very slowly so lets not spend too much time debating crashes!" Agree with you, but I need, for the first, to let other newbies (on the site or at the tourney) an example showing how each player have to do in the same situation. And, for the second, I have to observe a formal approach to the situation, so I'm still waiting for Ezekiel's opinion 


I understand your position and may be you're right. But may be I should give you more info about what happened. While I was playing my turn I started watching the battle from one of my teammates against AI. And at that moment I moved to another program window. When I returned to the game window the game was not response. But while I was waiting when it will start to response again, Windows decided to close it with the notification message window. I did not expect such behaviour, so I haven't a screen with the game-not-response approvements <smiletext6> I could take a photo of notification message, but I didn't do it  Though it was only on Russian, so it's unlikely that you could translate it <smiletext0>


Hi all,

When you have a crash, you must take relevant actions, such as a screenshot, a video etc. to "proof" what happened.

I guess we can be a bit less forceful than in an "official" tournament, but we should still keep track of game crashes/restarts so that we can take relevant actions when and if it becomes a problem.

The image provided is not enough to be ruled as a "restart with proof", therefore the ruling must be that it's a "restart without proof", and you can continue the game.


Hi, guys. I have to inform you about the next. Today, while I was playing current turn in the tourney session, I've got a game crash. According the rules I have to stop playing and wait other judges decision - is my approvements enough to continue or not. Despite the fact that Ezekiel is involved in this session too, - the kind of my approvements allows him to be as the judge in this subject. However, if we'll got different positions from both main judges (Ezekiel & marcuspers), I'll have to ask an opinion of additional judges too.  


@Nubnub  Yes, you have now small mana income. But you have small cast points too and a big reserve of mana <smiletext0>  So you should start to cast few banshees now and when you'll be ready summon the first of them you'll have already an option to upgrade your mana income <smiletext1>   Otherwise you'll spend a time (many turns) in vain <smiletext6>


To avoid any pressure on you before the vacation I've turned off the timer just in case <smiletext0>


Thank you for the praise Skuns453Lirik902, although the terrain gave me quite an advantage in that battle. And of course, Fire Wyvern for the win
I'll summon more souls / banshees once I have more mana since currently I only get 19 mana per turn.
More sunguards will be recruited once my Embalmer's Guild is finished which I think will improve them some more <smiletext0>


Ok, I'll turn off the timer at Friday <smiletext0>  Good vacation <smiletext23>


I´ll be heading off for vacation early on this friday. I´ll be gone from there (the 13th) to the 22nd of July. In that period I can´t promise taking any turns.


Please, do not left your thrones and cities without guards <smiletext21>  they may protect your cities from the neutral bandits or other roamers. Otherwise you will have to spent a time to return and retake it back   

@Akinos  Wisps are good protecters. Though there are should be shooters too. You can concentrate on building units with floating ability (Apprentices) and have good mobility with them

@Nubnub  You can start to summon Banshees and Souls with Life steal, into your throne, of course. Also build some more sunguards <smiletext0>  And Vampiric Hunger - is good enough spec to your pikemans)) Though as soon as Ezek is Dreadnought, it's better now to start concentrate you on T3 tigrans. Class T3 also may be against Longinus, but it's not a priority purpose

P.S. If I can build new town next turn and build fortress, then I can help you with some gold))

P.P.S. If you want answer please don't uncheck the marker "Only Team and friends" <smiletext1>


Wow, Nubnub, I'm really impressed how you had cleared your last site   <smiletext23>  Well done))


Turned on the timer again <smiletext0>


Played on now. Thanks for waiting for me.


Turned off the timer. <smiletext0>  Just right when all participants play their turns very fast   <smiletext17>


Just took my turn. I am having a brief holiday until sunday (where I will likely have plenty of other issues to attend to), consider turning the timer off when it reaches me once again.


Thank you very much :-)

I will check my E-Mails with double care from now on^^


I reverted the turn. Nub Nub, you can play your turn


Hi guys. Sorry, I should inform you earlier that I was going to the vacation from 10 to 12 of June. So if there are no objections from the opposite team I'll revert the turn  I can't do it now because of server problems in Russia. I'll do it in the evening.

@Ezekiel  I don't think that it is the "play unfairly" thing if someone skipped his turn. So you could play your turn in terms "as is" <smiletext0> (I hope my explanations were understandable for you  )


What the ... sorry for the turn skip again, I did genuinely not see the info mail (after searching for it I just found it, but because it had arrived together with a flood of other emails and landed in the wrong folder I did not see it previously) (and because my other PBEM games are progressing *super super* slowly, I had no other reason to enter the menu for a few days).
It's really unfortunate that there is no option for a second reminder 24 or 12 hours before skipping, or a daily reminder or such.

Anyway, if noone else does his turn before it can be reverted, I would like to ask for that. If not, I don't want to bother you.


Nub Nub, we see diaEmperador capital and we are at war with it. If you go in diplomacy with it you can see that some roamers taked it :p


Hi. I don't know what exactly happened. But it looks like that Dia's leader was killed and stayed in a Void while his unprotected throne was captured by Lost souls <smiletext6>


Game#1 | Round 1 : 3vs3 PBEM TEAM TOURNAMENT 2018 #1
Played: 2019-03-25Amount of Humans: 6
Kind of Report: 3vs3 PBEM TEAM TOURNAMENT 2018 Kind of game: PBEM
Game-value: 70
ResultPlayerClassesRacesTeamPointsExtra PointsMissed PointsQuitterRate
1EzekielDreadnoughtHumans2800here
1DiaEmperadorWarlordTigrans263310here
1LonginusRogueDraconians263310here
2Skuns453Lirik902RogueHumans1-260-40here
2AkinosSorcererDraconians100-62here
2Nub nubNecromancerTigrans100-54here

Remark:


Ecrit le 2019-04-03 23:10:07

Confirmé par Akinos

GG WP guys


Written on 2019-04-02 22:08:15

is this for  a new game if so I will have to change my combo as this was what I played in the first game


Written on 2019-04-02 21:09:48

Confirmed by Ezekiel


Written on 2019-03-28 08:25:01

Hi,  
Ezekiel submitted in that DiaEmperador would play Tigran Warlord.

Is DiaEmperador not part of the team anymore?
Will be tricky to find a replacement I think.

/Marcus


Written on 2019-03-28 07:29:45

Marcus was checking class/race combos, so maybe he has missing information


Written on 2019-03-26 19:38:36

Filled in race/class for Longinus but actually I can´t recall the class of DiaEmperador?


Written on 2019-03-26 12:19:25

draco rogue


Written on 2019-03-25 22:44:39

Missing the class/race of Dia and class of Longinus? Can someone please fill it?


Written on 2019-03-25 20:55:49

it was a great display of how to do team play as he guarded my cities some and still won the game


Written on 2019-03-25 20:51:11

Well. I actually had great fun playing this game and had excitement chasing and running away from Skuns leader with his stalker shack and some charmed units in the midgame where the odds were still not in favor of my team.

Took a while before I actually felt confident my team would win this as it was basically a 2v3 for the major part of the game.

A more offensive gameplay from Skuns´ - and his team, for sure - might have turned the tide, guess the game was kind of decided when I got that 100 units empire quest and could take over Skuns´ lands without much resistance granting me cities and then a lot of happiness. Even better when I got to the other opponents city where swift migration gave humungous boosts to race happiness and elicited the heptatopia and monoculture quest rewards.

Let me know if you want a detailed report - got plenty of screenshots from this one.

I did try helping out my allies (could probably have done better on this) but the map layout was not an easy play for the draconian rouge which lasted through the game.


Written on 2019-03-25 18:47:50

Confirmed by Nub nub


Written on 2019-03-25 16:48:36

i didnt do much it was all my partner


Written on 2019-03-25 14:38:12

Congratz

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Written on 2019-03-25 14:38:12

Match has been reported, please confirm!

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Well, my congratulations to Ezekiel's team <smiletext23>  Though that's what I wanted to avoid when I started this tourney - do not let win the match by one veteran vs all others   And this match has been showed that I was wrong. 
I admit I made some critical mistakes at this match. But it's hard to say if I wouldn't make such big mistakes then would be there an other result or not  

P.S. I have problems with my laptop, so I can't fill all class/race fields in the report. So please for other team let me know what I missed.


Hi guys. Sorry for the big delay. I was busy these days after returning from the vacation. Will play my turn as soon as I can 


Hi. I'm going on vacation from 7-th of March till 10-th of march. So it may be not possible to play my turn in this period. Sorry for the inconvenience 


it is ok with me


It's okay with me, I'll be doing my turn within the next 12 hours^^


Remind! I turned on 3-day timer. All of you are Ok with that now? 


Hi guys. I'm going to the vacation from 30 of December to 8 of January. I'll try to play my turns but there is some possibility not be able to do it at all during that period <smiletext6>   So I'd appreciate to keep the timer turning off till 8-th. Sorry for the inconvenience 


I might not be able to take my turn during the holiday. Please turn timer off.


Hi guys. I hope all of you still have interest to play AoW3 and don't suppose to leave after this session will end.  Despite the very long duration of this session and also of all the tourney.   So I wish you keep fight, good luck and let the best team win <smiletext23>

P.S. Anyways let me know of all changes if it will be in the future 


Hi guys. I appreciate both of you for gold <smiletext21>  But it would be nice if someone would share me also 100 mana to be able to build 2-nd class building to produce stalkers   I'll try to do my best to return all that resources as soon as possible. Though if Ezekiel will continue his pressure then the resources returning may be delay for a long time <smiletext6>

P.S. There are 2 inns near Ez's cities and my crow can get them quickly. It would be nice to buy there all units and bring pressure to his domain   But, unfortunately, it's too expensive  Though it's one of the best options now. Of course, it may not ruin his economy at all I think because of his Necro stack at UG, but if I can take and raze some of his cities it will be good too))  What do you think about it, should I spend gold by that way or not? 


Hi all. I'll be on vacation from 2 to 5 of November. I'll try to do my best to not delaying my turns but perhaps I can't play that period of time. Anyways, sorry for the inconvenience 


Hi Nubnub. I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for not keeping silent about your problem. <smiletext0>
As I can see in the PBEM lobby you didn't trigger Ironman notification. So you haven't give us any evidence and you can continue without worries <smiletext0> But for the future turns you should deal with your problem. If you need a help with finding the issue - our community will try to help you <smiletext1>  Otherwise it may cause Ironman notification and I'll have to give you a warning. <smiletext6>
I hope that it's only the internet connection issue and you'll fix it without any problems.   Though anyway I advise you after starting next few turns for the first save and exit, and then open session again and play it as usual. 


Did it trigger an Ironman reload notification? Does it display something in the turn email notification (or in the PBEM lobby)? If not, then you're fine.
If it does, then Skuns will tell you.


I just did my turn and it got stuck during uploading after I had ended my turn. I canceled, reloaded the save and tried again, that time it just failed by itself after some time. I then closed my game (it crashed at that, curiously), restarted the application, reloaded the save and that time it still took its time, but worked at last. So in the end I still only did my turn once, but it took three tries to upload it. Do I have to provide some sort of evidence for that somewhere?


Hi. I'm a little sick now. So I can't say when I'll be able to continue playing my turns. Sorry for the delay. I turned off the timer and I would prefer to leave the timer turned off for this period of sickness 


Turned on the timer again


Hi Skuns,

To clarify, there was never any doubt you will recieve a warning without proof, I've done this for 2 years now.

The formal approach you mention, means that Ezekiel can't be a judge in this match, hence why I said to not waste more time on this specific occasion, as it's summer time and finding 2 new judges will prolong an already long process.
If you really want to maintain a formal process, I suggest you create a spreadsheet and share it so I can formally submit your warning there. And to be even more formal, you should then consider creating rules, similair to the duel tournament or the 2v2 where instructions regarding restarts and procedures to observe players who have restart/s are in place. 

I thought your initial messages pointed toward the direction where such meassures wouldnt be implemented, but if you want to continue this formal approach, I again suggest you update the rules.

In regards to you mentioning new players (please refrain from calling them newbies) and following the process, I already addressed my reply to all players with instructions of how the process works.


Sorry for the delay. I had been visited by guests and so I couldn't play 


You wrote in your PM: "I've understood that the matches are moving very slowly so lets not spend too much time debating crashes!" Agree with you, but I need, for the first, to let other newbies (on the site or at the tourney) an example showing how each player have to do in the same situation. And, for the second, I have to observe a formal approach to the situation, so I'm still waiting for Ezekiel's opinion 


I understand your position and may be you're right. But may be I should give you more info about what happened. While I was playing my turn I started watching the battle from one of my teammates against AI. And at that moment I moved to another program window. When I returned to the game window the game was not response. But while I was waiting when it will start to response again, Windows decided to close it with the notification message window. I did not expect such behaviour, so I haven't a screen with the game-not-response approvements <smiletext6> I could take a photo of notification message, but I didn't do it  Though it was only on Russian, so it's unlikely that you could translate it <smiletext0>


Hi all,

When you have a crash, you must take relevant actions, such as a screenshot, a video etc. to "proof" what happened.

I guess we can be a bit less forceful than in an "official" tournament, but we should still keep track of game crashes/restarts so that we can take relevant actions when and if it becomes a problem.

The image provided is not enough to be ruled as a "restart with proof", therefore the ruling must be that it's a "restart without proof", and you can continue the game.


Hi, guys. I have to inform you about the next. Today, while I was playing current turn in the tourney session, I've got a game crash. According the rules I have to stop playing and wait other judges decision - is my approvements enough to continue or not. Despite the fact that Ezekiel is involved in this session too, - the kind of my approvements allows him to be as the judge in this subject. However, if we'll got different positions from both main judges (Ezekiel & marcuspers), I'll have to ask an opinion of additional judges too.  


@Nubnub  Yes, you have now small mana income. But you have small cast points too and a big reserve of mana <smiletext0>  So you should start to cast few banshees now and when you'll be ready summon the first of them you'll have already an option to upgrade your mana income <smiletext1>   Otherwise you'll spend a time (many turns) in vain <smiletext6>


To avoid any pressure on you before the vacation I've turned off the timer just in case <smiletext0>


Thank you for the praise Skuns453Lirik902, although the terrain gave me quite an advantage in that battle. And of course, Fire Wyvern for the win
I'll summon more souls / banshees once I have more mana since currently I only get 19 mana per turn.
More sunguards will be recruited once my Embalmer's Guild is finished which I think will improve them some more <smiletext0>


Ok, I'll turn off the timer at Friday <smiletext0>  Good vacation <smiletext23>


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