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Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:40 pm What do you mean by less than T3?

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:41 pm u wrote:

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:41 pm Because -10% chance of MC makes only a slight difference. You'll still have many T3, just a bit less.

novograd 09/11/2019 11:41 pm it's not just -10%

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:42 pm if 10% is small - you can and still reduce the attack

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:42 pm Less T3 you mean. Not "less than T3" (= T2). No, what we want to achieve is that MC strategies are not OP. It's not about how many T3, it's about win/lose games

novograd 09/11/2019 11:43 pm like all skilles, 10->8 would be about 20% or more for higher resistance.

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:43 pm The key question is when is it more interesting to produce a Warbreed than MC a Warbreed? When the mind-controlled Warbreed costs a lot more to maintain. Otherwise it's always more interesting to MC it

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:43 pm 10->8 it's 10% novo. Each 1 is 5%

novograd 09/11/2019 11:44 pm well think about success ratio. Importance is not chance for each convert but totally number of success on MC

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:44 pm it is directly related. small map, if necessary, you can always exchange units for a strategic advantage, clean the map in 4 directions

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:45 pm Yes but I was not talking about the number of success but the decrease in % of the chance of each success. I agree that the number of MC units will be affected by more than 10%

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:45 pm @mahimka: that's why I say we should do both: 50% upkeep and Lesser Charm + Lesser Convert

novograd 09/11/2019 11:46 pm it's critical for bard. and bard will be trash if upkeep patch and that nerf come both.

novograd 09/11/2019 11:47 pm about warbreed, if you can produce them, of course producing better

novograd 09/11/2019 11:47 pm problem is research tech.

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:48 pm a simple example - in a recent game with novo, on the 7th move I learned bards, on 11 I had 4 bards, on 15 I had a detachment of 3 magic serpents and 3 more flyers, which any vizard would envy.

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:49 pm @Hiliadan, need to experiment

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:50 pm but the problem is on the face, recent games show that only the thief and theocrat look good against the theocrat

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:52 pm it is unfair that these classes have better scouting and better map recruiting

novograd 09/11/2019 11:52 pm mahimka you just ingnoring 1.30 patch log

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:53 pm http://www.the-battlefield.co... novo lost vs Necro

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:53 pm General stats: Warlord best class vs Theo http://www.the-battlefield.co...

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:53 pm I'm talking about the current mode and the current map settings

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:54 pm Me too and I don't think there is a big difference. In the past you could also get Bards by turn 7. And you could also get 6 Flying/Floating units by turn 15, without Bards

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:54 pm I'm not saying there is no problem and I already suggested 2 fixes. What do you suggest except changing Fast research (for which you still haven't convinced me)

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:55 pm General stats - Is this statistics for tournament settings?

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:55 pm on lager map warlord is king

Hiliadan 09/11/2019 11:56 pm The stats for Warlord vs Theo is only for duels and duels have always been played on small maps

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:57 pm first of all - far from always

mahimka 09/11/2019 11:59 pm with the latest version of the mod and fast research?

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:00 am this is important, and this statistic is not indicative in any way

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:01 am It's more indicative that the opinion of 1 player called mahimka.

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:01 am as well as the fact that someone theocrath lost to some necromancer

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:03 am I do not impose my opinion, but agree statistics can be indicative only if the same mod and the same settings

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:03 am You won't really convince anyone by saying things like that. I sent you the link to the discussion about balance by private chat. Again, I encourage you to give your opinion on the proposed changes and make proposals. Saying that you know everything and that stats are useless will not change anything

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:04 am ohhh )

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:04 am where i said that i know everything?

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:05 am do not attribute to me words that I did not say

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:05 am it's not beautiful )

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:07 am Well, that's how I understand sentences like "this statistic is not indicative in any way "

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:08 am When people says stats over 406 duels (where settings have almost always been the same) are not indicative, it means they think they know better than the best available knowledge

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:09 am But again, I don't think that kind of discussion will lead us anywhere. Again, please participate in balance discussions and make proposals, that will be much more useful. I'm happy to promote you to the core group (not immediately of course, but pretty fast) if you want to decide on what we discuss

mahimka 10/11/2019 12:11 am if you separate the games in the current version of mode and with the settings of the current tournament, you will get much more indicative statistics

novograd 10/11/2019 12:15 am ofcourse but if so, there will be not much number of games

El_Lobo 10/11/2019 01:31 am Necro lost vs. theo? Nearly impossible if players have similar skills. Best class vs. theo imo is warlord because a whole stack can't be converted and will ignore all the spirit damage. I beat novo with WL btw.

El_Lobo 10/11/2019 01:31 am Good night for now. _)

DreadReapr 10/11/2019 05:46 am you understimate necromancer, its the fastest army conversion early game.

keika 10/11/2019 08:55 am >you understimate necromancer, its the fastest army conversion early game.
It is even counterintuitive to me. How necro could be the fastest in conversions? Theo at least as fast as necro. Ghouling strike and convert have similar stats and available on the same level.
If you are really good and combine ghouling strike with curse and inflict despair, yes you will have better conversion chance. But starting from turn ~12 theo gets evangelists and you can't be the fastest in conversions anymore.

keika 10/11/2019 08:55 am In my last game I had controlling undead and ghouling strike skills for both my leader and hero, I also had lesser conversion from second hero and still was behind.

Sin Arcain 10/11/2019 09:04 am A bit off topic: What is early game? And what.. conditions your economy and military is supposed to be in the different stages of the game, I wonder? I am asking to have some idea what to aim for.

keika 10/11/2019 09:11 am [novograd] btw are there anyone use assassins?
[Hiliadan] They're hard to use. I heard it used to be a very good strategy in live MP but then Triumph nerfed them pretty hard / delayed them
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Maybe I am playing like a newbie, but in PBEM round 2 I have built only one bard and two stacks of assasins. They helped a lot and I won major battle.

keika 10/11/2019 09:51 am [Hiliadan] When people says stats over 406 duels ... are not indicative, it means they think they know better than the best available knowledge
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I also think that such statistic could not be indicative. Just because different people play with different strategies (also there is a difference in skills). And if there is some very successful combo which gives very high win rate, it might not be visible in the statistic because not everyone plays.

keika 10/11/2019 09:51 am Probably it would be better if some skilled players play few games to verify if such combo is OP or not, and nerf it if necessary.
Hiliadan, if you are saying that statistic is a good source of "knowledge", how can you explain that skilled players tend to pick dreadnought vs weaker players and keep theocrat for latest rounds? From the statistic perspective this class is not as bad.

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:22 am early game is considered up to about turn 20 then after that is part time <smiletext24> and u better be rockin and rollin some damn good armies by turn 40 ish is end game especially in pbem

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:22 am this is of course all relevant to map size and start game settings

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:22 am if you go by tournament rules standards

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:23 am then consider turn 15 and turn 30 vs good players again depending on map size etc

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:23 am style by turn 35

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:23 am usually necessary

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:24 am just play like this http://www.levidia.ch/tv-show...

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:24 am wild west style and ull be fine

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:26 am oh and by the way i do a poll

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:26 am how many peoples games are waiting on AIXstormRage to take his turn ?

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:26 am i have him x 3 on waiting his turn in my games

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Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:19 pm @keika: Evangelists start at your Throne. Your Necro Leader starts MCing where he is, that's one reason why it's faster with Necro. MCing is not about the number of units but about the quality of units and about having 1 or 2 strong stacks.

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:20 pm @Sin Arcain: check out the strategy guide: https://age-of-wonders-3.fand... to get some ideas about the speed to get things. Early game = before turn 20. You can also check the thread about Racial Governance on the official forum where we give some notions of how many cities and units per game stage

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:23 pm @keika: I'm quite disappointed that you say such things about the stats and seem to believe I don't already know that. The general stats reflect the specific stats of top players. For instance Theo IS the best class. And the match up ARE correct. Just look at stats from Jean, gab, etc. And I don't know where you picked that Dread was not the weakest from the stats??? Dreadnought vs all : 51% (43 from 84) vs Theocrat vs all : 59% (133 from 225)

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:23 pm 51% vs 59% is a huge difference

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:23 pm Also just look at the number of times Dreadnought is picked overall, much lower

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:35 pm And if you want more recent stats, you can look at the ones from the 2017 Duel Tournament: https://www.the-battlefield.c...

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 12:46 pm BTW, I was wrong in my calculations about research speed for Bards and Evangelists yesterday, I took 66% RP cost but it's 75% RP cost for Fast speed. So probably a bit slower than I calculated

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 01:00 pm New RG poll about High Elves: https://www.the-battlefield.c...

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 04:15 pm Just posted an assessment of Draconian RG which will be used to balance RG in v1.3: https://forum.paradoxplaza.co...

gladis 10/11/2019 07:09 pm I wonder who pays attention

Sin Arcain 10/11/2019 07:57 pm Ok. Thanks Hiliadan.

Sin Arcain 10/11/2019 08:10 pm And thanks Seer too. Not sure about the levidia site though.

Hiliadan 10/11/2019 09:56 pm Some thoughts on removing Treasures for "standard games": https://forum.paradoxplaza.co... Would be interesting to get some feedback now. To avoid people complaining after that they don't like a setting, while they never take the time to discuss it when it was proposed months before being implemented...

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:10 pm anybody interested in a live game 1v1 classic turn duel ?

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:35 pm or live ffa ?

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:36 pm mahimika , u have any interest u and novograd can 2v1 me if u like i guess

mahimka 10/11/2019 10:40 pm i can play only pbem

mahimka 10/11/2019 10:41 pm but i can play all auto

mahimka 10/11/2019 10:41 pm if u want

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:43 pm well i was looking for a live game

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:43 pm how come can not play live game ?

$eeR 10/11/2019 10:44 pm connection strength or somethig ?

$eeR 10/11/2019 11:01 pm bah are nearly no live players anymore these days

Fluksen 11/11/2019 11:06 am Hei are the AoW3 #servers down at the moment? I keep getting an error message when trying to login. Says: Could not connect to server. "Do you still want to play in offline mode?"

Sin Arcain 11/11/2019 11:07 am I guess so because I get the same message.

Fluksen 11/11/2019 11:10 am Oh ok, not sure if I should be relieved that it's nothing weird with my pc or worried because it's on their servers....

Fluksen 11/11/2019 11:10 am thanks for your confirmation!

marcuspers 11/11/2019 11:18 am Yeah, I posted a message on the steam forums

Sin Arcain 11/11/2019 11:34 am Hopefully nothing lasting.

Hiliadan 11/11/2019 02:02 pm Looks like it's back?

Sin Arcain 11/11/2019 08:41 pm Yes.

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