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Game #678 Tournament game#27 | Round 5 : PBEM 2v2 team tournament 2016 #27

    Fistandantilus vs      Warlord Keldon vs      AlXStormrage vs      Ezekiel

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Match Details
Played:2017-11-13
Rating  4 - Not good Game
Amount of Humans:4
Kind of Report:PBEM 2v2 team tournament 2016
Kind of game:   PBEM
Game-value: 64
Result Player Classes Races Team Points Extra Points Missed Points Quitter Rate
1 FistandantilusRogueGoblins22000here
1 Warlord KeldonSorcererHumans22100here
2 AlXStormrageWarlordGoblins1-210-30here
2 EzekielRogueHumans1-190-30here

Posts to the game:



Published on 2017-11-13 21:29:08
| Confirmed by Ezekiel

I think the pace of the game was way too slow - probably also my own fault, but bad that it had to be resolved due to score that early.


Published on 2017-11-13 09:25:20
| 678 | Age of Wonders 3

Match has been reported, please confirm!


Published on 2017-11-13 09:25:20


Match has been reported, please confirm!


Published on 2017-11-11 16:44:38


Marcuspers, Markymark and me reviewed the scores (from turn 29) received from Warlord Keldon.
We concluded that even though The Sinners were leading in general score, their lead could not be considered significant enough to give them immediate victory. We thus looked at military score, where it was the same situation. Domain score was also similar.
In the end, with no significant lead in any of the three scores, we used the total score without any "significant lead" criteria, as planned in such cases. Fistandantilus and Warlord Keldon thus win this match! Please report and prepare for next round.
The Sinners were leading in all aspects, including ones not used for arbitration.

@Bastards of the North: sending you a PM regarding replacement of West Coasters

The screenshots:
Marcuspers, Markymark and me reviewed the scores (from turn 29) received from Warlord Keldon.
We concluded that even though The Sinners were leading in general score, their lead could not be considered significant enough to give them immediate victory. We thus looked at military score, where it was the same situation. Domain score was also similar.
In the end, with no significant lead in any of the three scores, we used the total score without any "significant lead" criteria, as planned in such cases. Fistandantilus and Warlord Keldon thus win this match! Please report and prepare for next round.
The Sinners were leading in all aspects, including ones not used for arbitration.

@Bastards of the North: sending you a PM regarding replacement of West Coasters

The screenshots:











Published on 2017-11-09 22:12:08


It can be Warlord Keldon who does the score checking because we plan to use the score from last turn (so the last turn you played AlX) to determine the winners and the screenshots of this turn's scores is more for information to see if we are missing a big event on this turn (and also to learn more about the way domain score works, regarding the Dwelling which changed hands).


Published on 2017-11-09 21:25:17


WL Keldon is not the last person to do a turn, I am. 
So I suppose it should be me who should do it?

Also, from what I remember we started on the normal PBEM branch. Haven't even realised at which point we converted to the Beta...


Published on 2017-11-09 20:06:16


Ok so since Fistandantilus was involved in the game, and it was a bit complicated, Markymark and I decided to nominate a 3rd temporary judge, Marcuspers.

After reviewing the issue, we came to the following conclusions:
- warning for all participants for using another branch of the balance mod and not notifying judges. As you can see, this caused grave damage because I did not know you were on the beta branch when we decided to update it and unfortunately a bug slipped through. If we had known (+ if you had unsubscribed as suggested), it could have been avoided easily. Bastards of the North is especially warned to be careful: you did not get clear consent from the opposing team to play with v1.22 instead of v1.21 (though they had to know they were playing with the beta branch as you need to check it in the launcher).
- Ezekiel gets an additional warning for using an exploit linked to the bug (Dragons from the Dwelling disappeared). There was a debate among judges about the severity of this. We should stress that if Ezekiel had not self-reported and for instance Keldon had reported it, it would probably have been considered cheating.
- regarding how to end the game, you can't continue because the save file is corrupted and Dragons are gone for ever. Revert is an option and was debated. However, the majority of judges decided not to go for revert because it would allow Ezekiel to replay his turn with all the information he collected the first time, meaning he could play it better. So the solution that was favoured is to use the scores from the end of the previous turn.

In both cases, the warnings are equivalent to "with proof" but we'd like you to be careful. This is clearly not an ideal situation...

So @Warlord Keldon: please back up the save files and surrender and send the score screenshots showing the previous turn to Markymark, Marcus and me. Thanks!
[EDIT] Please also send screenshots of the score of the last turn, so that we can compare, for information. Thanks! [/EDIT]

Finally, outside my scope of judge, as part of the balance mod team, I'd like to apologize again for the issue caused by the bug. To avoid this in the future, we won't bring new changes on the main branch that haven't been tested for at least 2 weeks on the beta branch (in your case, that wouldn't have helped though as we didn't know you were on the beta). We also now know about the .xml issue so other issues with the same cause should not happen.


Published on 2017-11-07 20:55:57


Well, since Keldon didn't do his turn then, perhaps we should just make rollback to Fist's turn and play this turn anew and finish?


Published on 2017-11-06 19:44:24


Ok thanks for reporting that Ezekiel.

Well, it should clearly have been reported earlier as it's clearly bugs and they are linked to the faulty update of v1.22 (Dragons were bugged and Charm was also probably bugged as its description was modified by v1.22) around the 3rd of November. It would have been avoided if you had played on the main branch as the main branch was locked until your match finished (until I learnt you were on beta branch so we updated the main branch, causing issues on it too...).

Need to discuss with Markymark what to do but clearly the scores are going to be incorrect because you took a Dwelling that you could not take without the bug.


Published on 2017-11-05 22:40:08
| Weird last turn

So I´m gonna come creeping out on you on this - perhaps a bit too late, and I don´t have screenshots to support the deal.

I had two weird issues occur to me for the last turn I played:

1. Our opponents had a dragon vassal sort of close to my home base that I wanted to check out with an assassin on that last turn. To my surprise the vassal was undefended. It was still listed as being a vassal. I don´t know if our opponents accidentially had it absorbed the turn before, but I guess it then wouldn´t have been written then that it was indeed a vassal?!? Playing against Fist and Keldon before, I find it unlikely that they absorbed something to then leave it undefended... I captured the vassal to check where those winged beasts were at and there was none whatsoever?!?

2. I had 3 bards in my ranks and neither of these could use the charm ability. They were of elite rank.


Published on 2017-11-05 21:12:22


Yeah sorry my "you" was confusing, I meant "you 4 players in this game".
So yes indeed, WK plays normally then AlX plays his turn, backs up, surrenders, sends score to Mark and me and sends turn to next player to prove no reload.


Published on 2017-11-05 20:43:41


I'm a bit confused, WK is the third one to play, is he supposed to surrender and take the score screenshot?
I thought it was AlX to do so as he's the last one in the turn order. can you please confirm Hiliadan?


Published on 2017-11-05 18:48:09


Ok so if you can download the turn Warlord, please do so, with the latest version of the beta branch to avoid bugs. Then you can finish the turn and send the score screenshots.

We haven't had time to discuss the issue with the branch of the balance mod yet, I'm going to send the PM to Markymark now.


Published on 2017-11-03 21:50:15


Yes, I will pretty much follow instruction posted below.


Published on 2017-11-03 16:42:38


Re, I'm going to discuss with Markymark about the issue with your game being hosted on the beta branch instead of the main branch as requested.
Meanwhile, deadline is there, so could AlX please confirm he knows he has to play his turn then back up the save then surrender. It's important, please confirm here or send a PM or something.

@Warlord: could you please confirm you can actually download your turn? The situation in the screenshot you sent me should not prevent you from playing, except if you had started playing your turn and saved & quitted, then the mod updated.


Published on 2017-11-03 10:07:06


guys, Keldon just sent me a screenshot showing you played with the beta branch... you were suposed to play with the main branch. I m not at home, not practical to type on smartphone. I don t know what to tell you. on hold for now


Published on 2017-11-03 05:32:28


The deadline expires in 10 hours, please confirm you all unsubscribed from the main branch of the balance mod so that you stay with v1.21.
If the procedure after the deadline is not clear, I'm here to reclarify.


Published on 2017-10-31 19:12:16


I am actually surprised x1nt does so well. In our teamgame he gave me impression of average player, although it's been a while already... people learn, unlike me


Published on 2017-10-31 17:55:57


We had a grand total of zero PvP battles so far, so I don't think a team winning by a large margin is a possibility... but you never know.


Published on 2017-10-31 17:36:58


An update on the strategic situation (e.g. is one team winning by a large margin or is it very contested? are you very close to each other's throne, etc.) would be useful, so that we can anticipate potential issues with the score victory. So please feel free to send what you find relevant by PM to Markymark and me (since Fistandantilus is involved in this game).

Also, we plan to release v1.22 on the main branch quickly after the deadline for Round 5 expires, that may cause issue to finish your turn.
I understand that the turn order is Fistandantilus -> Ezekiel -> Warlord -> AlX. So AlX should be the last player to play. Let's imagine the deadline arrives when it's Ezekiel's turn. The simplest solution would be if Ezekiel, Warlord and AlX could (temporarily) unsubscribe from the main branch to prevent the balance mod from updating, so that you stay on v1.21. That way, you can finish without any trouble.

If that's not possible, we'll figure out something else.

The reason we need to update ASAP the main branch - which is not ideal for your game, I'm sorry about that - is that round 4 of the Duel Tournament is apparently going to end today as Skuns apparently lost vs xlnt (not yet confirmed) and so we need to get v1.22 on the main branch so that round 5 games can start on it. We can't let them start on the beta branch, otherwise we won't be able to update it to v1.23 and to have sufficient time to test it.


Published on 2017-10-29 03:39:03


Hello! About 5.5 days left.

The procedure for score victory is:
- when the deadline (see clock here: https://www.the-battlefield.com/aow3/index.php?page=tourneymain&tourneyid=5 ) is reached, the turn is played up to the last player of the turn (in your case, I'm not sure who it is?), then this player plays his turn entirely but DO NOT end turn.
- the last player saves & quits and backs up the save (copy the .apg and .~apg from C:\Users\[Windows user name] \Documents\My Games\AoW3\Profiles\[AoW3 user name]\PBEM and paste it to another place)
- the last player then opens the game again, surrenders, takes screenshots of ALL the scores, and sends them to the judges (Markymark and me since Fistandantilus is involved in this game). Then he sends the game to the next player so that other players can see there was no reload.
- the next player DOES NOT load the game.
- then everyone waits for judges' feedback.

REMINDER: the team with the highest score does not automatically win. The scores must not be judged "very close".


Published on 2017-10-15 19:57:53


Hello! You now have about 19 days left (following the time extension to take into account the summer holidays), I am a bit concerned that will still be too short as the pace was about 8 turns/month, so we should probably anticipate a score victory, please have this in mind, and sorry about that. We still have 3 rounds to go for the tournament, so that's about 9-10 more months.


Published on 2017-09-28 22:19:56


Round 16 is ongoing...


Published on 2017-09-24 10:13:44


Hello! And now? About 20 days left in theory.


Published on 2017-09-01 11:17:51


I believe we should be on turn 7 now


Published on 2017-09-01 04:44:10


Hello! How is the game going so far? What turn did you reach? To get an idea of the progress of all games in the tournament.


Published on 2017-08-31 21:54:56


I´m on vacation soon - not for long but probably without the computer, from the 2nd and to the 5th (both dates included).


Published on 2017-08-20 20:37:14
System notification | Round 5 : PBEM 2v2 team tournament 2016 #27

Please click here to read the rules.In order to avoid advantaging one team or the other, for each match, the team who will host the match was randomly selected.The first team in the "turn order" above (who is also the team on top in the tree here must host the game. Any of the players in the team can host.Tournament Game #27 Round ! When players do not show up for their match, the Tournament Judges have the right to change the match!






Published on 2017-08-20 05:53:52


Hi! Did this game start? If yes, please update its status to "Ongoing".


Published on 2017-08-07 10:29:37


Wow! how's it going so far?  (now I feel pressured in our game, cause you're a chess master

As for the weather, we have a saying that our weather is similar to the woman's mood





Published on 2017-08-07 00:49:41


@AIXStormrage
In Riga yeah, so far so good, i expecially appreciate the cimate  I'm playing in the RTU chess open btw: http://rtuopen.lv/


Published on 2017-08-04 12:51:10


Joined, GL guys
WK



Published on 2017-08-03 19:34:59


@Fist, hoh? so you're enjoying your vacation in Latvia?  Any specific place? like in Liepāja or Rīga?


Published on 2017-08-03 18:33:38


Yes, I had forgotten you said in the top 8's blog about your holidays.
Well, the round started in August and it's still summer holidays so we may give an extension. We'll discuss that. Meanwhile I guess you just start the match in the 2nd half of August.

Class/race of everyone OK!

So, for when you start: good luck and have a fun match!


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