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Current game Wasteland Expansion Beta PBEM game (Organisator Refineus) - PBEM Game

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user
Published on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:40:42 +0100

hahaha, I thought I was going to die...


Do you want to keep playing? or should we wrap this up? 


user
Published on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:32:30 +0100

I think it's fine. In general, Nomads has quite many ways of boosting mounted forces and certainly nerfs were made to address particular units, but the Chieftain had one with the removal of their inspiring aura on gold rank. But might overlook speed as a factor. Mobility is absolutely one of Nomads core traits, but they are not strong and no racial units are actually armoured. 


I'm more worried that Arch Druid can be actually faster. "Long Strider" provide +8 to Support which actually raise movement to 44 which may not be desirable balance-wise. However, almost all classes except Rogue provide any real benefits on support units. 


As a last nerf I believe the "Mounted -20% upkeep" roving ability on the racial governance economy is a bit too much. Considering that Undead Slayer on Infantry vs the economic Treasury Hunt + -20% Upkeep on mounted is very unbalanced. The increased pick up on gold and mana stacks should be enough actually for a tier I racial governance rank. 







user
Published on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:58:21 +0100

Hey guys!

Since this is some kind of testing and training game I took the risk and attacked Dr. and Blad in the city. The chance of winning were low but I wanted to try it and don't mind the outcome. Havn't expected it to be that worse but it was a nice chance of taking out 2 leaders with one attack. So I paid tha cost to be (not) the boss! ^^


For now I would say that the Nomads are a nice race. Maybe the overall speed is a bit too high because 36 MP supports with healing ability and 36 MP flying cavallry is quite strong and allows you to create very movable stacks without heroes/leader. Can be an issue on bigger maps.



user
Published on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:20:48 +0100

I essentially lost all my

forces against El lobo.

In particular with a scary starting location closer than I would like made it little harder to move away from starting location Leaving my location as a more observation post.. . -_-


A general note that several patches have been made since the game started both with nerfs and balance. 


In particular, Nomad has a strong economy. Which been targeted recently. Instead of 15% gold for cities turning also all nearby sites into an extra 15% gold income this been turned into a negative value of about -15% a lot of steam comments were mentioned this that thematically it does not make sense to be richer than other races and still be outcasts lore-wise. 

At several stages, the damage has been both increased and decreases for several class units when it seemed necessary. However, the thing that is on my task list is the general unsynergies with the Dreadnought class. None of the racial units of Nomads has armoured making dreadnought less desirable in the same manner as Draconians. However, they do have stronger class units ranged support like Flamethrower on Engineers, Ricochets shots on Musketeers and a potential oil attack on the Golem later on. But it might not be enough to compensate for the solid engineering upgrade that only targets Engineers at the moment. The Musketeers has a sniper and ricochet trait to compensate for the lack of armour. 




Therefore should a potential candidate for armoured trait be the Nomad Roc unit or the Barbarian. While a flying racial unit can seem quite controversial, it's yet a design choice that can be interesting. But makes it extremely suspicious against armour-piercing. 


In general, I feel that Nomads is in a good spot although squiczy units. But the fastest possible combination of stack composition having a Nomad Chieftain being mounted support. That could in theory cover almost all various damage dealers with Warlord class having each type of Mounted unit at its disposal. 

In future updates, I will be looking to address some abilities like "Fire Weapons" that replace physical damage with fire damage completely for many units. Full elemental damage on melee has not shown me the most desirable effect for a Military RG5 upgrade making some racial units almost useless against some enemies.


I noticed that in particular for the Salamander unit that had 12 fire damage it was wandering around magma forges randomly doing nothing. Even with 10 fire and 2 physical, it did nothing. So I rather will move away from full elemental damage ideas on base damage channels. Especially since "Frost Weapons" trait has a better damage balance between elemental and physical. Since most of "one-throw-abilities" like Throw Sword and Throw Spears follows a base damage formula it would mean that 12 melee fire damage also applies to Commoner and Spearmen ranged channels leaving them with only pure fire damage quite vulnerable when hitting racial governance 5 which is not what I want with "fire weapons" trait. 


So far I don't think anyone has encountered either of the new dwellings Lizardmen and the Outlaws. Lizardmen is generally a quite specific race that gets stronger the more Lizardmen there is in the same stack. They are unhappy on a -200 morale when alone. But get better morale when together and increase their hp. Generally, they have similar things as they had from their first appearance historically with Swimming, strong melee and turn undead for their Shamans etc. Then their weakness against Arctic environment. Best race against Lizardmen dwelling units is most likely Frostlings or Necromancers having better chances of resisting water element (Frost and Spirit). 


Outlaw dwelling is the Nomadic offspring, the units that were leftovers from the Nomad planning phase. They have less weakness in comparison but is not particularly strong. Smallest dwelling domain of all dwellings with borders no bigger than a wooden fort. The Slaver unit can throw net so far, is supposed to have in a future also convert when throwing net aka "trap". Watchmen is the real deal. A tier III pikeman which can be compared with Orc Shocktroopers, but with one notable difference. It can strike 4 times instead of three making this unit much more dangerous against mounted units. The same can be said for the Nomad Barbarian who also has the 4th strike, but is much weaker than this guy.



I know that probably Blad and Dr Light is up for a challenge against a Nomad Warlord. Manticores with Fire Charge and since there is racial governance affecting mounted units upkeep... It's going to be rough.



user
Published on Thu, 21 Jan 2021 07:15:12 +0100

Great, it could be anything from abilities, models or quality of textures.


In general crashes seem to occur very rare. But good regardless if they can be pinpointed. 


I'm working on an updating warlord specifically for phalanx and berserker currently . Then also Lizardmen models will be targeted for balanced and update of models. 

Especially Lizardmen Circle Thrower absolutly wrecks everything they see with their ranged attack that jumps between targets and inflict crippled wounds on gold rank. 


user
Published on Wed, 20 Jan 2021 22:52:08 +0100

I just played my turn so that you guys can continue. Same outcome in the fights I did before.

I can't cut the video with the tool from youtube because it must be uploaded before I can cut it and the file is extends the maximum size. I tried another tool (VSDC) but when I try to export the file an error message appaered. I'll try to cut my recording the net days so that you can see the crash, Refinus.


user
Published on Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:12:32 +0100

Thank's for the advise, Marcus.

Atm my problem is not finding a proper program rather than a lack of time. Sorry for letting you guys waiting. If my situation won't get better this week I need to retreat from all games I am playing atm. It's my turn in all games I am involved but I just don't find even 30 minutes to play... :-(




user
Published on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 09:30:57 +0100

YouTube editor allow you to cut/blur parts out, could be an alternative if you dont find a program that simply let you do that.

user
Published on Tue, 12 Jan 2021 23:39:56 +0100

The file is about 750 MB big but if cut off the parts you shouldn't see (my cities and troops not involved in the fight) it may drop below 500 MB. Need to get a free programm to cut the file first...

user
Published on Tue, 12 Jan 2021 04:38:52 +0100

Would be interested. Can be related to models or abilities. 

user
Published on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:13:40 +0100

Hey guys,


happy new year! ;-)

Just got a crash after two really nice fights without losses. Right after the 2nd fight the game closes itself. Sad story and I do not have time to replay it this evening. Will try it tomorrow. I have a recording if someone is interested.



user
Published on Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:18:26 +0100

Okay, thank you for info, happy christmas and new year to all

user
Published on Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:40:31 +0100

I will be on vacation until 3rd of January. So I will not be able to do my turns for awhile. 

user
Published on Thu, 17 Dec 2020 06:25:40 +0100

It's okey. I don't have any hard deadline on this particular game. 

user
Published on Wed, 16 Dec 2020 22:29:58 +0100

Hey guys. I havn't got time to play these days since I am moving my household to another city and need to do all the stuff which need to be done in this situation. If everything went like planned I can play my turn on saturday or sunday. Thank's for your patience!

user
Published on Sat, 05 Dec 2020 09:49:53 +0100

Yeah Halflings are a.i as we did not manage to get 6 players. Seems like fun for El Lobo and Dr Light at least

user
Published on Sat, 05 Dec 2020 09:40:16 +0100

One Player is AI?



user
Published on Fri, 27 Nov 2020 10:13:14 +0100

No Problem, let us wait!

user
Published on Mon, 23 Nov 2020 21:07:31 +0100

Hi All,


I will be in quarantine this week as I did an international trip, I don't have access to my personal PC and somehow I can't connect to the server through my work laptop, I guess the company firewall is preventing me from doing so. If I find a way to log in and take my turn I will, otherwise, I will take my turn probably next week after I get tested and go back home.


Thanks!


user
Published on Mon, 16 Nov 2020 17:36:26 +0100

I don't mean the manual fights while clearing sites and so on. Only against the AI leader! (if I remember correctly it's the green player)

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