If you think you can't beat a MC rush on turn 20, then you can't beat it on turn 25-30 on a medium map either, because the rusher will just have aggregated even more army by the time he reaches you. The issue is not with the time (BTW, by turn 20, you have a lot more than 2 stacks of 2 if you play production well), it is with the way units are obtained and the economy of the game

Summary of pros and cons of removing critical success & failure of disjunction

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You can start joining the Championship tournament: https://www.the-battlefield.c... Please give your opinion on the rules now, after it will be too late: https://forum.paradoxplaza.co...
I will not participate in season 1 (I'm currently registered but only for testing purposes)

Who has been playing on v1.31 on the beta branch? Anything to report?

not sure, i played sometimes beta, but not actual.

who is playing in the championship?

I am

Will give it a try. #metoo

I hope you are not in my bracket

Haha meroo

v1.31 should be released on the main branch of the balance mod in the coming days

v1.31 was updated with description fixes on the beta branch. Anyone playing games with the beta branch? We need to make sure everything is fine before release on the main branch (probably in the next 24-48 hours)

Played a 2vs2 with Gladis, Earl and Dr. Light. Some sites on the sea were undefended. I think someone reported it already.

Ok but that was way before v1.31 and possibly unrelated to the balance mod. I asked details about that game, they were never provided I think

Not sure whit which version of the balace mod we started the game...

Last few days to comment the settings and rules for the Championship tournament: https://forum.paradoxplaza.co...

> Tournament Square Map with Surface and Underground on Continents
Is it small size or medium? I would vote for medium.

>Treasures: None
It is only about treasures scattered on the map, right? We still will have 5 "resources" in city ring for throne?

Hm... it looks like no starting resources... so I am against

I'm unsure what you refer to as 5 resources in city ring for Throne. There are usually 3 sites, not 5 around the Throne. And no Treasure does not mean no starting gold and mana?

The map size is the same as the current duel map size and you would need to explain why Medium would be better. IMO it's certainly worse, as it makes games longer and helps more players like you who are good at clearing, so does not really help balance things out in any way.

>I'm unsure what you refer to as 5 resources in city ring for Throne
I was talking about pickups. With usual settings, you have 5 pickups in throne city ring - gold, mana, refugee camp, cartographer tent or some other thing I don't remember.
So I am ok with removing pickups from the map, but I am against from removing them from throne locations.
It would be good to have at least 1 pile of gold and 1 pile of mana.
With new settings you can't even hire hero and rush builder's hall on first turn.

>The map size is the same as the current duel map size and you would need to explain why Medium would be better
It is better because it gives more options to play the game and it is less vulnerable to rush strategies.
For slow classes it allows at least to survive until key units/researches in my opinion.
On medium map it can be economically efficient to build second and third city while on small map it certainly not.

>and helps more players like you who are good at clearing, so does not really help balance things out in any way
OMG, such a brainless "argument". It is absolutely ok that better player win worse player. If someone better in tactic, better expanding, better in overall strategy, it must win.
I thought we are talking about class balance...

i play much duels with medium, i think it is better to develop, but it is worse for players who forgot the enemy and make travels in maps sites., so it is directly more actions.

That's part of the point to slow down early games by preventing players from both buying hero and rushing Builder's Hall (among other things). But the question should rather be: does it slow down clearing more than it slows down "empire building"? I asked everyone to try this setting many many times, so that we have feedback on it. You didn't try it, that's a shame, but now we don't have the data and I guess it will be live testing

Regarding map size, I disagree that it actually gives more options to play the game. It can give the impression that there are more options but both you (on Medium map) and novo (on Large map) showed that actually MC + clearing all the map very fast and efficiently remain largely superior to all other options. So Medium map just makes the reckoning happens a few turns later but production strategies won't be stronger (and no recent report has shown production strategies winning on Medium)

I think if you want to discuss map size, you cannot just give broad affirmation like: "it gives more options to play", you need actual facts and figures. The current Small Square means attacks will usually happen around turn 20. It is sufficient for most well-executed production strategies to be ready. I think an increase of 8 hexes of the width of the map could be discussed, but going to Medium just means games lasting more time without real changes in the balance of power between strategies.

If we want changes in rush vs production vs clearing + MC, we need to change the economics and buff/debuff of particular units/spells/etc., not the map size

As for the last part, I did not say (at all) strong players should not win against weaker players. I said that Medium maps help players good AT CLEARING more. Clearing is just one part of the game and games should not be won just by clearing. THIS reduces the number of strategic options. And obviously this also has a direct link with class balance because some classes (e.g. Necro) are more appropriate for min-maxing when clearing sites

For instance, if "clearing player" leads 3000 army points thanks to clearing to his opponent's 1500 army points mainly through production on turn 20, on a Small Square, "clearing guy" would finish him around that time. On a Medium Square, maybe he continues 5-10 more turns until he reaches opponent's domain. Will the 5-10 turns really help the production catch up? Or will clearing guy just further increases his lead by getting more and stronger units along the way + building some at home?

During the last 6 weeks I often have the problem that the first upload after ending my turn fails. I need to shutdown the game launcher, restart it and then it works fine. Anyone noticed this problem too?

And another thing I want to talk about is the summon arachnide horde spell. Yep, it can be a nice spell BUT in most cases it ruin games. The AI cast's this spell everytime there is a chance to do so. That means 80 CP for winning a scout fight. I noticed it in a 3vs3 some month ago and now several times in the global strategy game. It's a complete waste of CP and can be abused by the opponent once you got information about it. For games on bigger maps we definetly need to find a solution which...

...prevents AI from casting that expensive spells in scout fights. We already discussed this month or even years ago. Maybe we can link the CP AI uses to the costs of the units involved in the fight. It's definetly a problem on bigger maps...

Lobo, have you tried re-entering the match and uploading it again? You don't need to restart AoW3.

The options for AI casting are limited. Yes I'd like to work on that but it's huge and difficult work. See https://forum.paradoxplaza.co...

About map size, definitely bigger map favor production class. Ofcourse MC classes better in bigger map but the gap would be reduced. And I can't agree that production class can stand against MC rush at turn 20.

the rush would be 2~3stacks include several t3 while production class can have about 2stacks of t2

moreover the rush should be scouted before in right time and even that case, the rusher just can clear other sites while you just hold on zone.

If you think you can't beat a MC rush on turn 20, then you can't beat it on turn 25-30 on a medium map either, because the rusher will just have aggregated even more army by the time he reaches you. The issue is not with the time (BTW, by turn 20, you have a lot more than 2 stacks of 2 if you play production well), it is with the way units are obtained and the economy of the game