I don't think so

Forgot to say for the finale round of the 2vs2 Tourney, we're going to try to update the main branch of the balance mod to v1.29 ASAP so that this branch can be used.

Maybe you could generate the match and we can submit classes etc. so not to delay further?

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@xlnt: you can check the changelog for v1.29: https://docs.google.com/docum...

Who else thinks the mana income is too high in mid/late game? Maybe sanctum should just give 25 mana. Probably all other sites should provide 25 instead of 25 income than. Same for those +20 sites like Crystal tree which only should give 15 income

I agree! The difficult thing though is to manage to have enough mana early game and not too much late game

if we tweak the values I mean

I can't agree at all.

it just mean you didn't get good summoning spell. I always lack mana. no matter the turn is.

and totall value of mana cites not that big compare to other cites. if you guys want nerf mana cites's mana income, add +5 gold for there.

lich king castle and sunken city should be nerfed they have totall 40 value.

Let's clarify that obviously we're not talking about duels. And by your own logic, I would say that it means you do not manage mana properly by not building mana-building and not prioritizing sites with mana.

The fact is that some class/race/specs do not have summons. And that by turn 60 on a large map, it's very easy to get mana income in the hundreds

How is your game on a large map going by the way?

seer disapeared for 3weeks

and I always build shrine. at turn 60 I would have more than 200 mana income per turn for sure. but that's totally no enough.

And I'm not talking about class summon. you must get severy good summon from treasure cites if you play that long.

also think about your speciliation. Grey guard essense harvest is crazy OP.

I always be evil alinement but still I always take grey guard only for that. can be more than 50 CP per turn everage. once I got 130 cp for 1turn.

So it means just you didn't take enough treasure cites for good spell))))

and if you guys want to solve mana balance early game vs late game, just add menu for taking reward with same amount of gold as mana.

The lack of mana is totally because of no treasure cite except sanctum gives mana as good cost. However gold can be taken from all places.

if nerf mana cites, early game mana upkeep would be much terrible.

"just add menu for taking reward with same amount of gold as mana" didn't get what you mean?

Not necessarily, Sanctums are not early sites, so if they go from +30 to +25, that should not affect early game much

Do we have a game with a higher Game-value? It used to be 94 but now that some of us lost ranking points, it's 92, but still huge. https://www.the-battlefield.c...

I mean when you take sphinx temple for example, you can get a item+research points or 500 gold

So add one more choice of getting 500 mana or at least 350 mana.

and you didn't mention only sanctum. crystal tree quite easy cites for sure so can be taken before turn 10.

Also all cites can be taken before turn 15 depends on situation. regrowth shrine, killing momentum+ strongwill buff, blood brothers, divine justicals, etc.

Finally if you think too much mana in late game, you should buff mana cites totall value, instead nerf.

too much mana=mana isn't that worth as gold=(30 mana<30 gold)=sactum<zigrat

if sactum change to 20mana+15 gold, I can agree for sure.

"So add one more choice of getting 500 mana or at least 350 mana" That's not possible technically. And anyway I don't think it is desirable as it breaks the balance of mana sources

(it's "site", not "cite", otherwise quite confusing with cities)

I don't really follow your logic of saying that we should solve the mana excess in late game by adding gold income to mana generating sites... >_<

I think he means that if you nerf the +mana from a site, add the reduced amount back as gold.. Like sanctum gives +30 (35?) mana/turn. If it gets nerfed to +20, the +10 (15) remaining could be gold/turn instead. I guess so the site keeps its value, so to say.

Yes infact I also think adding choice for mana reward is too big change. I just wanted to say about 1way to solve lack of mana at early game. about site, Sin understand me very well.

legendary and mystic sites should have at least 30 total value. strong 20.

Other opinions on nerfing access to mana in later stages of the game (after turn 30-40) on medium to large maps?

Opinions on The Great Purge Theo skill? https://age-of-wonders-3.fand...

Same question for Hallowed Domain: https://age-of-wonders-3.fand...

@Hiliadan, never played as a Theo and got/researched Great Purge. In theory I dont thing the spell is very strong. Would be more interesting if also Support Units was included. Or if you got X Slayer (for unliked/hated races). I believe High Elves for example dont like orcs and Goblins

Similar with Hallowed Domain, never used it. And same, in theory the spell doesnt look tempting. Once you get invaded and have option to cast spell, its probably too late anyway

@Hiliadan, in my gaming practice, I practically did not encounter sieges of cities, so the spell Hallowed Domain is absolutely useless

in general, all buffs on the city are absolutely useless in this game

The Great Purge - a fully used normal highly specialized spell, in capable hands

Not all city enchantments are useless. Sorcerer has one to get a great buff on summoned units within the cities domain.

Even spells preventing enemy spells can be very useful. Preventing an enemy from casting -500 happiness on a city is a gold one for example.

And regarding mana in the early game. i don't think we need to change it. Classes with good scouts (theo, rogue) will benefit from more mana in the early game and especially theo don't need to be buffed at all.

@EL_Lobo - I will supplement my words, so that there would be no misunderstanding - all buffs for the army in the city

spells such as grip are quite usable

or mana fuel

Sorcerer has for this to work, the city must be attacked, and there was a huge army

but sieges in this game do not work (one to get a great buff on summoned units within the cities domain -

for this to work, the city must be attacked, and there was a huge army
but sieges in this game do not work

Nobody said mana in EARLY game had to be changed. The discussion is on mana in LATE game (turn 60+ but actually even 30+ for mid-game)

I disagree that sieges do not work. There are many situations where you can defend a city vs enemy troops. The thing is usually your army won't be there if you're going to lose so you don't defend. But some spells buffing defending cities an make a difference,

currently their cost is not very incitative to using them though

And sieges have even more chances to happen in larger maps, but I think you never play games with more than 4 players, do you mahimka?

Hiliadan, I agree with you, in ffa this may be applicable. Maybe in games 2 by 2, although I have not met. In order for the siege element to work, the walls must strengthen the defending army. Perhaps strengthening hp walls and gates, as well as a review of all kinds of climbing on the walls will be able to change the situation. Then the city buffs will work.

And one moment

Usually the study of such buffs is not included in the game plan.
You are planning to strengthen the economy, buffs for logistics, access to a certain class warrior, summon, that is, everything for attack? but not for defence.

when the game situation forces you to learn something for defense, it is usually too late)

You're probably right about the gates and walls

Is there a way to close a dialogue with a player? The old site had it, though sometimes it still reopened it.

I don't think so

Forgot to say for the finale round of the 2vs2 Tourney, we're going to try to update the main branch of the balance mod to v1.29 ASAP so that this branch can be used.

Maybe you could generate the match and we can submit classes etc. so not to delay further?

lol my bad just checked my inbox