Game #753 Tournament game#57 | Round 7 : 2017 PBEM Duel Tournament #57

Jean_de_Metz vs  gabthegab

Match Details

Rating 2 - Nice Game
Amount of Humans:2
Kind of Report:2017 PBEM Duel Tournament
Kind of game:   PBEM
Game-value: 49
Result Player Classes Races Team Points Extra Points Missed Points Quitter Rate
1 Jean_de_MetzSorcererOrcs21100here
2 gabthegabNecromancerTigrans1-110-20here
Posts to the game:

A very close game.

Published on Sat, 30 Jun 2018 14:46:19 +0200

Written by Hiliadan
Very interesting report and very very good play here Jean, you definitely deserve your ranking. I learned a few new tricks.

This report (as other reports from the final phases of other tournaments) clearly show some stuff the balance mod needs to prevent. Among other things, I'm really looking forward to the use of the Strong Defender Normal Reward (SDNR) mod to reduce rewards. I believe we should beef up the anti-mind-control arsenal, in terms of upkeep, preventing easy mind-control of Regrowth units... And also we need to make it harder to sustain armies without economy like you both did.

Published on Fri, 29 Jun 2018 22:50:04 +0200

Written by Jean_de_Metz
I wanted to make this report a long time ago but family problems made me quit aow for some time so only now I have time to make it and post in on the battlefield. I like to write in general =) and making reports is fantastic because you can resurrect all the details of some epic games in your memory and share them with the community.
It was my first match with Gabriel and it turned out to be really challenging. As he didn’t make any report on his own I will describe the game how I saw it (and, I guess, you will have to believe me 😊
But before I start it I want you to understand that I made a lot of work trying to understand Gab’s playstyle. For me he appears to be a very aggressive player who perfectly levels up his heroes at the beginning of the game. He likes to make snowballs and attacks his rivals at the beginning of the match. So I figured out that he had pretty little experience in playing late game and I could at least make him feel uncomfortable in the game not letting him win against me in his usual style.
I was 100 % sure he would take necromancer. I could have taken it myself but I don’t like to play mirror matches. That’s why I chose sorcerer. It was the only class which could have let me create a full floating stack. Gabriel, making a huge snowball, would have plenty of units but the vast majority of them wouldn’t be able to catch me on the water or on rapids/lava – that was my logic.
I had a very impressive start: researched wisp and a theocrat hero. It allowed me to take an early ruins and research apprentice on turn 4!

The first wisps were sent in possible Gabriel’s direction making screenshots of the objects on their way (I needed to know what could be snowballed by him).

I myself was talking objects in my domain and trying to level up my theocrat to convert ability as fast as I could.

I made contact with Gab on turn 10 destroying his fortress and killing undefended builder! The wisp though was immediately punished by Gab’s heroes. I still think he should have shown me only one hero but it didn’t make any difference: there was no doubts in his skill in fast level ups.

I saw him taking a tavern which meant he was about to go to the surface. My second wisp was killed here by his carrion bird and I understood there was no more use trying to scout here.

At least I had the map opened and I could follow his movements by the cleaned objects on the map.
My real success was taking a dungeon very early losing only a wisp which split the guards. I also managed to convert a warbreed!

Here I want to clarify that we had some chat in steam and Gabriel said he was really unlucky in this game. If honestly, I can’t agree with that. I think we both had lucky and unlucky moments. Gab said his ghouling strike failed many times but, well, you can’t always rely on it. We made everything we could in the balance mode in order to make snowball abilities to fail at least sometimes.
I can name at least several things in which Gabriel was very lucky. First, as I later found out, he got a big neutral dwarf town on the borders of his domain. I myself didn’t get such economics but I scouted the central giant dwelling much earlier than Gab but the dwelling…declared war on me. That was horrible since I hoped to make some quests or at least vassalize it.
Secondly, Gabriel had a perfect path to my empire.

A sphynx temple, a sanctum and 2 ruins giving him 4 ghouled trolls. My heart went into my shoes when I saw it.
I ran to the center in order to take another sphynx temple cause giving 2 these objects to him would have been too much.

And here was my first revelation of this game.
I am gonna say this and I want you to believe me here: I really did everything I could at the beginning of the game. I played it perfectly. I sacrificed research (building only a laboratory for medals) to spam apprentices and ruined my moral hurrying production. I cleaned everything I could and got as much converted units as the game allowed me. I trained everything and summoned phantasmal warriors for all the mana I had. On turn 17 I had almost 3 stacks of trained units (which is incredibly strong for a sorcerer) and I had a small hope…But no.

No matter how perfectly you play this class at the beginning of the match…you still can’t compete with a necro snowball. Gabriel came with more than 3 stacks of units and when I saw the army I understood I had no chance defeating it. But I was fast and came already to the center of the map. Here is the position:
Gabriel had this:

Another stack was almost there too.

Including units from the tavern he took nearby and banshees he summoned.
In order to understand the correct strategy in this situation let’s talk about different scenarios. What would you do?
Take a look at this screenshot once again:

The main and very common mistake in this situation is that many players run back to their domains when they understand they can’t meet and defeat an approaching snowball. The problem is that going back gives you nothing: you can run back, build a wall in your throne city and defend there but your opponent will take your vassal! And everything else. You can’t defend everything at the same time – that’s the problem.
The best scenario here is to exchange domains. To go somewhere else. Make your opponent pursue you because when a player pursues his opponent he is always behind him and goes through already cleaned objects.
Here I forced Gabriel to take the dwelling and went further to his part of the map. I understood that it was no use sending everything to his towns – they would probably be undefended since the snowball ate all his gold. So I split my army and took only the leader stack to his domain. The stack was made of apprentices and phantasmal warriors + 1 gryphon rider, it was a full floating stack which soon gained invisibility. All the units left were led by my theocrat and I sent it to clean the map.
So we have the following situation:
Gab in my domain.

I am in his.

This is the whole surface. I found a small dwarf village in the south-west corner of the map and vassalized it.

My theocrat hero with his full resurgence army began to take such structures.

And here Gab makes the most crucial mistake in the game. He leaves some towns to me.

He managed to raze his throne city but I was so close that I lacked just few mps to reach it. But I got 2 other towns. So why didn’t he raze everything? Being a necromancer he could have done it easily not losing any morale.
I got an artifact with resurgence ability and sent it to my leader.

My third hero with a stack of apprentices (this was the guarding stack of my domain) was sent by the water to the north-west corner escaping death.

It later reunited with the main theocrat army.
And Gabriel got a difficult situation here. My theocrat army was becoming stronger and stronger and it came to the place with several sanctums!

So Gabriel came here too.

The upcoming screenshots will be all about maneuvers 😊

His scouting was really perfect at that time so when he saw the whereabouts of my stacks he made such an attack on my vassal.

I decided not to fight for it. Instead, I went for all the greatest mythical structures of the game, my plan was to deprive Gab of them.

Again maneuvers.
Here I force Gabriel to come back to the borders of mine (well, now his) domain because otherwise I would go there myself.

Yeah, well xD

Making another full floating stack!

When the surface was explored and Gab blocked the way to the domain I decided to go to the underground with the theocrat army.

I was suffering with my economics and had to stabilize it as soon as possible so I got a temporary control of the undergound.

While the leader was exploring the underground himself.

You might be wondering now why I put a 37 turns research clock with the Eldrich Horror – well, the last spell I needed was School of Enchantment but I slowly researched it with the objects. I had only + 47 research from the towns, it was irrelevant to research any expensive spells BUT we didn’t have Sage yet. So putting the horror at the end of the turn on research was an option. A doubtful though.
The underground had a central dwelling too. Again the giants.

I didn’t want to fight for it at all till this part of the game. Now I was once again ahead, Gabriel was pursuing me so I approached the dwelling clearing the wizards’ towers!

I made another split.
Now I had a full floating theocrat stack with resurgence and I later reunited with my leader to have more than 3 stacks of floating units.

Gad tried to go underground and clean something too, he took the dungeon but failed with the lost city as I was faster.

I also took the last sanctum.

And another lost city.

And another wizards tower where I was finally rewarded.

I vassalized the giant dwelling and Gab went to the underground with everyone because nothing was left on the surface.

I immediately responded with combining my floating armies and going to the surface to Gab’s domain.

So when Gab was close to my underground cities

I was here trying to be invisible

Gabriel finally made a split of his army sending one of the stacks here.

The second part blocked me here.

That’s why I moved to the north ug town planning to defend it till the very end.

Gabriel leaving his surface domain. We were about to make the second exchange of domains!

He took my giant dwelling with a swimming druid stack.

And then suddenly I noticed this…

It looked like a hidden attack but I spotted it.
And next turn he approached.

On my turn I was able to reach him only here.

The lost soul allowed me to attack his army not on the objects = without buffs.
I summoned the phoenix and won the battle.

And his leader went to the void after which I took the throne city which was now in my former domain.

As we are probably going to play the finals with each other I don’t want to make any conclusions about this game right now. I thanked him for the game when it ended and I thank him now once again. It was interesting and competitive.

Published on Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:24:41 +0100

Written by xlnt
Grats to both players for being the best in the world!

Published on Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:55:07 +0100

Written by marcuspers
Congratulations Jean! Very nicely done, looking forward to your detailed report where you tell us all how this was possible!

Published on Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:35:13 +0100

Confirmé par gabthegab
Confirmé par gabthegab

Published on Tue, 06 Mar 2018 01:04:00 +0100

Hello, Gab!
Sorry for not making my turn today, I got too many problems at home. I managed to get some free time only now, at 3 a.m. and I'm sleepy.
I will make more turns tomorrow. Maybe 2 or even 3.

P.S. We're on round 39 at the moment. We should be able to finish the game in time anyway <smiletext0>

Published on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:58:36 +0100

Everything worked, thanks Marcus and Hiliadan for your quick answers! 
Gonna finish my turn in an hour.

Published on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:16:42 +0100

Yes, I updated the mods today in the morning. I guess I did it automatically drinking a cup of coffee and trying to wake up.
I'm gonna take an older version from dropbox then.

Published on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:09:44 +0100

Did you play with Debug mode on?
Did you update the mod even though Hiliadan made a lot of effort to prevent this from happening, when save and exit and continue later?

If the second, there is instructions in the tournament pool with links to the "old" versions of the mod.

Published on Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:49:47 +0100

I can't continue making my turn today, got this message, can't upload the turn.

What shall I do now?
- Jean

Published on Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:37:07 +0100

Oh yes sory i don't have see your message! i wasn't at my home and a will not at home tomorrow too <smiletext0>

Published on Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:24:01 +0100

I know. I got my turn when it was 1 a.m. my local time (already Wednesday <smiletext0>P) and I spent the whole day away from my pc so I wasn't able to make any turns. I wrote you a message in steam, looks like you haven't read it. 
Anyway, round 19 already, I don't think we're running out of time. I will try to make several turns today. A new one coming very soon

Published on Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:02:36 +0100

You played already many many turns, I don't think there is any hurry.

Published on Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:46:12 +0100

Jean you know it's your turn since Tuesday?

Published on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:08:14 +0100

Ok, since Fistandantilus comes back only Sunday evening and some of you are very eager to continue, and given the nature of the issue (more on that when Fistandantilus comes back), you can continue playing. In any case, I suggest you to not play too fast, it's bad for your health.

Published on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:18:34 +0100

Please temporarily stop the game, I am waiting for a PM from Fistandantilus about an issue with all matches.

Published on Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:29:47 +0100
System notification

Round 7 : 2017 PBEM Duel Tournament #57
Please click here to read the rules. In order to avoid advantaging one team or the other, for each match, the team who will host the match was randomly selected.The first team in the "turn order" above (who is also the team on top in the tree here) must host the game. Tournament Game #57 Round ! When players do not show up for their match, the Tournament Judges have the right to change the match!

Published on Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:02:24 +0100

Ok, settings look good and we have both class/race. Good luck guys! Don't play too fast & have fun!

Published on Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:56:56 +0100

pw : jean 

Published on Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:26:38 +0100

As explained to both of you, this match is under special scrutiny. I would be grateful if you could avoid commenting on what judges ask of you, and if you could have an attitude that facilitate that and allow us to have a nice and fair match. So, gab, please rehost and take the screenshots, thanks.

Published on Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:09:27 +0100

Jean me too i must record all my turn in video... I don't have screen shoot of the last host i just have do host with the same setting i hoppe we can start now like that because i don't want pass more time for make video save screen shoot setting then the time i play!

Published on Wed, 14 Feb 2018 02:38:39 +0100

Gab, please post the screenshots of the second hosting. Please don't start that game.

Published on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:12:23 +0100

Hiliadan has asked me to record all the turns completely that's why I will start playing tomorrow, not today <smiletext0>
My pc is overtired after the whole day of work.

Good luck, Gab!

Published on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:15:46 +0100

no the game is good i have rehost with the last update...Good luck have fun Jean ! pw : jean

Published on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:12:55 +0100

As far as I know, this game won't work because it was hosted before the last update of the beta branch so gab needs to rehost it.

Published on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:17:47 +0100

I've sent the judges my class and race and entered the game.
Waiting for the green light to start the match <smiletext0>

Published on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:18:34 +0100

The setting <smiletext0> pw : jean

Published on Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:41:41 +0100

Ah, sorry.
I'm not following, as usual <smiletext6>

Published on Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:40:07 +0100

Jean, please read the Tournament Player Pool, you're going to play on the beta branch.

Published on Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:37:42 +0100

We are going to play not on beta, but on the main PBEM balance mod branch so everything should be fine.
Nah, there are only 2 options:
1. You're too good.
2. The others are bad
I don't believe in anything else. 

Published on Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:33:34 +0100

Hiladian say the mod ++ is not compatible with the beta ... i can play many turn in one day too so we can play without timer . of course you can compete with me i am not so good <smiletext0>

Published on Sun, 28 Jan 2018 13:18:04 +0100

Hello, Gabriel!
It's a great pleasure to finally meet you in a game. I expect it to be a very interesting match and hope I can compete with you. Would you like to play on PBEM++ in addition to the main branch? This mod was designed by Hellbrick (you already know him) and gives some nice features like no rapids on the map, no preresearched summon (crow, cherub, wisp, etc) which gives both players equal opportunities in early scouting and some other interesting things. 
I'm able to play the match fast, several turns per day if necessary. I will join the game in 2 days, need to finish some testing first =)

Published on Sun, 28 Jan 2018 12:00:34 +0100

Hello <smiletext0>, must i host the game?